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PCDmanager Mixture Compound

Posted: 14 July 2014, 12:31
by nrgeng
(Q1) How to specify molecular weight for a mixture: (1) use molar proportional average MW or (2) add both MWs together? PCDmanager uses Method 2. Is there a problem using an average MW of 142.321 (Method 1) vs UNIFAC MW of 296.234 (Method 2)? Will this affect property estimates using UNIFAC? Molar to mass conversion? How to resolve?

(Q2) The <Component> panel calculates a Method 2 MW and gives a red-flagged preferred data check on the Formula. Can this flag be cleared or should it just be ignored?

(Q3) After configuring UNIFAC, the UNIFAC LLE and ASOG panels are automatically populated, but with the wrong functional groups. This occurs after clicking the <Generate all missing data from UNIFAC> Button.

Re: PCDmanager Mixture Compound

Posted: 14 July 2014, 13:09
by hkooijman
(Q1) Currently, the UNIFAC method can not be used when a compound is actually a mixture, since (a) the method was intended to describe one molecule and (b) this would require us to extend the implementation to be able to use fractional group definitions. Best way to approach this when you only have two compounds is to set each up as a pure compound and then in the simulation mix them to the right composition.

(Q2) Please describe the concrete example with all details you are trying to do as to enable/ease trouble-shooting.

(Q3) <Generate missing data from UNIFAC> should not alter the UNIFAC group definition itself. Therefore please decribe/upload the exact steps in full detail that leads you to this problem

PCDmanager Mixture Compound 2

Posted: 15 July 2014, 12:24
by nrgeng
Best way to approach this when you only have two compounds is to set each up as a pure compound and then in the simulation mix them to the right composition.
I initially took the easy route as you suggest, but the simulation is separating the pure components. One knows that non-ideal gas, liquid, and solid mixtures behave differently from their mixed pure components. I am guessing that Compound W as a mixture will not separate under the simulation conditions so I need to know how to define Compound W as a mixture with PCDmanager.

(Q1 & (Q2) I was able to resolve the problem with MW. I cleared the red-flagged preferred data check on the Formula. Since PCDmanager accepted my fix, I assume that it is correct.

(Q3) As per your request:
  • Open component-less PCDmanager
    Import component from txt file
    See green essential data checks on all panels
    Enter UNIFAC group data into appropriate zero-filled fields
    Click the <Generate all missing data from UNIFAC> Button
    Review and verify groups in UNIFAC LLE and ASOG as incorrect
(Q4) If I do not (cannot) use UNIFAC, will an(other) method(s) estimate the required unknown parameters? If so, how can I disable UNIFAC estimation?

I have read the two publications that I found on-line: (1) ChemSep Tutorial: Distillation with Hypothetical Components and (2) ChemSep Tutorial: PCDmanager; but have not found the answers to all of my questions for this mixture compound addition to PCDmanager. Did I miss something in my reading? Thanks for any more information.

Re: PCDmanager Mixture Compound

Posted: 27 August 2014, 22:47
by hkooijman
Q3: OK, this is a bit more clear, but the issue could be whether you save as pct or as txt file, and how you then open it again (as pct or txt). Still many possibilities and you need to be precise so that I can reproduce. This also means you better share the exact data entered or send me the pct or txt file you generated... I have exported and re-imported components from the standard chemsep pcd library and this worked fine.

Q4: again, w/o being precise with the component in question, I can not say whether there are or are not methods to estimate properties, for this is too generic to give an accurate answer.